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The Turing Podcast is an exciting podcast from The Alan Turing Institute, the UK’s national institute for data science and artificial intelligence.
The Turing Podcast is an exciting podcast from The Alan Turing Institute, the UK’s national institute for data science and artificial intelligence.
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Tuesday Feb 17, 2026
Tuesday Feb 17, 2026
How can the study of ant colonies and evolutionary theory help us ensure the resilience and sustainability of global shipping?
In this episode, host Amelia Jabry is joined by Professor Adam Sobey (Mission Director for Sustainability at the Alan Turing Institute) and Senior Applied Scientist Dr. Przemyslaw (Slaw) Grudniewski from Theyr. Together, they explore the ‘evolution’ of shipping route optimisation - from early concepts proposed by Alan Turing to cutting-edge Multi-Objective Genetic Algorithms.
Discover how these ‘survival of the fittest’ models are being used to navigate the complex world of charter party agreements, fuel efficiency, and autonomous vessels. They also dive into the environmental impact of rerouting, discussing how a 1% change in fuel consumption can protect vital megafauna like whales, and what the melting Arctic means for the future of global trade.
Chapter Markers
0:30 | Co-Host Introduction: Professor Adam Sobey
- Introduction of Adam Sobey, Mission Director for Sustainability at the Alan Turing Institute and Professor at the University of Southampton.
1:20 | Guest Introduction: Dr. Przemyslaw (Slaw) Grudniewski
- Introduction of Slava, Senior Applied Scientist atTheyr
- The history of Adam and Slava’s collaboration, starting from Slava's PhD in 2015.
4:30 | The Path to Genetic Algorithms
- Why the team focused on genetic algorithms, including the influence of a talk at the University of Bristol on co-evolution mechanisms.
5:00 | Why Shipping Matters: The Ever Given Incident
- The significance of global trade by sea (80-90%) and the 2021 Suez Canal blockage by theEver Given.
6:20 | The Sustainability Imperative
- Shipping currently accounts for 2-3% of world emissions, emphasizing the massive need for reduced costs and improved sustainability.
7:15 | Defining Genetic Algorithms
- Explaining unsupervised learning algorithms based on "survival of the fittest" and evolutionary mechanics.
8:40 | Applying Evolutionary Principles to Route Optimisation
- How routes are treated as individuals that create "offspring" through crossover and mutation.
10:20 | Multi-Objective Genetic Algorithms
- "There is no one best route"—balancing conflicting goals like voyage time vs. fuel consumption.
- Explaining why multi-objective approaches provide a set of optimal solutions rather than a single answer.
11:00 | Charter Party Agreements & Alternative Fuels
- The complexity of "rental agreements" (charter parties) and the shift toward net-zero fuels like ammonia, hydrogen, and nuclear.
12:20 | The Rise of Fully Autonomous Vessels
- Navigating the challenges of crewless ships and how they allow for real-time route adjustments.
13:30 | Sustainability Benefits of Autonomy
- Removing crew-related weight can lead to estimated fuel reductions of around 20%.
14:40 | Safety and Regulation
- The role of the Alan Turing Institute and Lloyd’s Register in developing standards and validation for autonomous systems.
16:15 | Risks: Cyber Threats and Bad Actors
- Addressing piracy, cybersecurity risks, and the safety of alternative fuel sources.
18:00 | Why Genetic Algorithms Win
- Comparing genetic algorithms against local search methods like A* and Dijkstra for complex, real-world problems.
19:00 | Top Performance: cMLSGA
- ThecMLSGA (Convolutional Multi-Level Selection Genetic Algorithm) and its 7-8% improvement over other models.
- This represents a saving of 50 to 380 tonnes of fuel per day for large vessels.
20:20 | History: From Alan Turing to Today
- How the field traces back to Turing’s 1948 ideas of "child-like" intelligence that learns and evolves.
22:20 | Ants, Tribes, and Co-Evolution
- Using the study of ant colonies and human tribal behaviour to understand collective fitness and reproduction.
23:50 | Scaling Solutions through Collectives
- Applying the concept of "collectives" to solve large-scale optimisation problems through collaboration.
25:25 | Multi-Level Selection
- How "groups of individuals" (collectives) can compete and work together to look at different objectives simultaneously.
26:20 | Collective vs. Convergence-Based Algorithms
- Why maintaining diversity in a population is more effective than focusing on a single "perfect" solution too early.
- Diversity provides better and more informed choices with the data at hand.
28:00 | Success Stories: TVOS and Whale Protection
- TheTVOS (Theyr Voyage Optimisation Software) and its real-world impact.
- The importance of protecting marine life and megafauna.
29:50 | Navigating the Environment
- The difficulty of rerouting massive ships and the role of deep learning vs. genetic algorithms in icy environments.
32:50 | The Arctic and New Trade Routes
- How melting sea ice is opening new routes and the resulting need for specialized "ice-class" vessels.
35:50 | Industry Adoption and Client Surprises
- Overcoming the lack of maritime background to deliver results that surprise industry veterans.
38:30 | The Future: Power Prediction Models
- What’s next for the field, including more advanced predictive modelling.
41:00 | Summary and the Power of Collaboration
- A hopeful look at how the Alan Turing Institute acts as a convening power for sustainability research.

Thursday Nov 06, 2025
Navigating Change: AI in Arctic Sea Ice Forecasting
Thursday Nov 06, 2025
Thursday Nov 06, 2025
The Arctic is undergoing rapid changes due to climate change, making sea ice forecasting increasingly important. In this episode of the Turing Podcast, hosts Amelia Jabry and Dr. Sophie Arana discuss the critical role of AI models like IceNet in predicting sea ice conditions and aiding conservation efforts. Featuring Dr. Ellie Bowler from the British Antarctic Survey, the conversation dives into the technical details of IceNet, its applications for wildlife conservation, and the challenges of predicting sea ice dynamics. The discussion also covers the importance of these predictions for indigenous communities and wildlife that rely on the frozen Arctic landscape. Learn how AI is revolutionising our approach to these urgent environmental challenges.
Read more about our environmental forecasting work here: https://www.turing.ac.uk/blog/democratising-environmental-forecasting-age-ai
Explore IceNet: https://icenet.ai/
Find out more about Dr Ellie Bowler's publications: https://www.bas.ac.uk/profile/eller/
Read more about Dr Sophie Arana here: https://www.turing.ac.uk/people/dr-sophie-arana
Chapters:

Wednesday Jul 02, 2025
The Cyber Cold War: How AI is Defending Our Critical National Infrastructure
Wednesday Jul 02, 2025
Wednesday Jul 02, 2025
New podcast - defending our critical national infrastructure.
Podcast host Amelia Jabry is joined by co-host and Turing Principal Research Scientist, Vasilios Mavroudis to explore how AI is reshaping both the defence and attack of vital systems like healthcare, energy and transport. With the help of special guest, Microsoft’s Director of Global AI & Cybersecurity Policy Nicholas Butts, they ask: how vulnerable are our power grids, water systems, and communications networks in the age of advanced AI? And what are organisations like the Alan Turing Institute and Microsoft are doing to protect these essential services?
Episode Notes
Please find below a list of resources and news articles that were mentioned in the podcast:
- Microsoft Digital Defense Report 2024
- Glossary - AIRC
- Staying ahead of threat actors in the age of AI | Microsoft Security Blog
- https://www.thestack.technology/ai-agent-whisperer-liberates-llm-to-spout-filthy-cardy-b-lyrics/
- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0el31nqnpvo
- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx1qp64wrno

Tuesday Nov 12, 2024
Defining AI safety
Tuesday Nov 12, 2024
Tuesday Nov 12, 2024
Ed and David chat with Professor Ibrahim Habli, Research Director at the Centre for Assuring Autonomy in the University of York, and director of the UKRI Centre for Doctoral Training in Safe AI Systems. The conversation covers the topic of defining and contextualising AI safety and risk, given existence of existing safety practices from other industries. Ibrahim has collaborated with The Alan Turing Institute on the "Trustworthy and Ethical Assurance platform", or "TEA" for short, an open-source tool for developing and communicating structured assurance arguments to show how data science and AI tech adheres to ethical principles.

Thursday Jul 04, 2024
The cutting edge of emotional and cognitive neuroscience
Thursday Jul 04, 2024
Thursday Jul 04, 2024
On this episode, Bea and Jessie are joined by Becky Inkster and Mark Sheppard, co-founders of The Laß; a fusion of science, creativity and personal reflection.
Collaborating with famous musicians, dancers and members of the public, Becky and Mark use EEG brain activity technology to visualise poignant moments. They hope to offer both internal and external reflection opportunities to nurture personal growth and community bonds.
For more information visit -
https://www.beckyinkster.com/the-lab
Don't forget to explore our shorter AI news podcast - too long didn't read

Friday May 03, 2024
AI for Cyber Defence (AICD) research centre
Friday May 03, 2024
Friday May 03, 2024
To what extent can a computer network be actively managed and defended by intelligent autonomous agents?
In this episode, Ed and Anneca talk to Vasilios Mavroudis and Chris Hicks explore this question and more.
Vas and Chris lead the Turing’s AI for Cyber Defence (AICD) research centre which seeks to fundamentally transform the way in which we secure digital systems through the development and application of cutting edge, deep-learning based approaches to intelligent agents.
Find more information about AICD here
Don't forget to explore our shorter AI in the news podcast - too long didn't read

Tuesday Apr 16, 2024
Our AI Futures - Lord Chris Holmes and the AI Bill
Tuesday Apr 16, 2024
Tuesday Apr 16, 2024
On this episode of The Turing Podcast Bea and Anneca are joined by Lord Chris Holmes, Britain’s most successful Paralympic swimmer and an active member of the House of Lords with a policy focus on digital technology for public good.
Connect with Lord Holmes on Linked In
Explore our regular news AI news podcast, too long didn't read

Tuesday Jan 30, 2024
Project Bluebird: Revolutionising Air Traffic Control with AI and digital twins
Tuesday Jan 30, 2024
Tuesday Jan 30, 2024
The Turing Podcast revisits Project Bluebird; a fascinating collaboration aiming to solve some of the biggest and most complex problems in air traffic control with digital twins and AI.
Join Ed as he sits down with Nick Pepper of The Alan Turing Institute, George De Ath of the University of Exeter and Marc Thomas of NATS - the team behind Project Bluebird.
First featured on our podcast in 2020, the team now provides a progress update at the midpoint mark. Learn how they are developing innovative AI to train a digital twin air traffic controller with the aim of enhancing aviation safety and functionality, and what the challenges are, integrating human expertise with machine intelligence.

Thursday Dec 21, 2023
AI for Cyber Defence
Thursday Dec 21, 2023
Thursday Dec 21, 2023
This week the podcast, the hosts are joined by Kate Highnam and Myles Foley, both of whom are PhD candidates at Imperial College London working at the intersection of machine learning and cyber security. Kate and Myles were part of a team who last year won the CAGE challenge (Cyber Autonomy Gym for Experimentation), with their reinforcement learning-based solution. We chat about how advances in AI are being used to address challenges in cyber security, and what can and cannot be automated.

Friday Dec 15, 2023
Building Digital Tools for Polar Research
Friday Dec 15, 2023
Friday Dec 15, 2023
This week on The Turing Podcast we chat about some of the research going on in the collaborations between the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) and The Alan Turing Institute, including efforts to automate the route planning of ships in polar regions, and the building of a digital twin for Antarctica! The hosts are joined by Dr Scott Hosking and Dr Jonathan Smith. Scott is Co-Director for the Alan Turing Institute Research and Innovation Cluster in Digital Twins, as well as the founder and leader of the BAS AI lab. Jonathan is a Principal Research Scientist, also at the BAS AI lab.
